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A SIMPLE QUESTION FOR OBAMA

I like simple questions; when someone asks a simple question, like “Obama, if you are legitimately qualified, as a “Natural Born Citizen”, then why don’t you simply show the country your paperwork, like all the rest of us have to do whenever we want to do something requiring ID?”  None of this “Where were you born”, “Were you actually in the college you say you attended”, etc., as all those questions simply confuse the issue, making it easier for him to duck and hide the truth!  One simple question, one simple answer!  The law says he is supposed to show his evidence, it will end all of this talk, one way, or the other, and it would end it quickly and we could get on with the business of running our country!  But he won’t respond to that question.

So; here is another very simple question:  Obama; you think that the Muslims have a right to build a trophy Mosque near the Twin Towers site and, when you first talked about it, before you changed your statement to fit the needs of the party, you were somewhat insistent on it!  You say that it is the Constitutional right of the Muslims to build where they want to.  The citizens of this country and, especially the citizens of New York City, including the families of the victims, say that building another Mosque in NYC is okay, but not anywhere around the site of the vicious attack by Muslim terrorists!  These are the people who live there, not the people who donate to your campaign, and they don’t like what you said!  When the country stands up and expresses its anger at your actions and statements, you ignore it and do as you wish, and this time you are quoting Constitutional Law as and excuse!  But there is the matter of the sanctity of the site, and the need for the respect of the dead, many of whom still have their ashes mixed in with the earth of that hallowed ground!  In effect, it is a gravesite of the massacred citizens who were doing nothing to anyone of Muslim heritage when they were attacked; they were just doing their jobs!  So; let me ask you one simple question, Obama:

If you believe that it is the Constitutional right of the Muslims to build near the site, because they are only practicing their Religious Rights, ignoring the emotions of the citizens of America, then why not let them build right on top of the Trade Tower site?  I’m more than sure that if it were not a political issue, you would be pressing for them to do exactly that!  But you know, as well as any American, and even the Muslim Cleric, that it would be a situation that would cause the people of this country to stand up against you and impeach you for ignoring the honor of the 9/11 victims!  And if that is a clear issue, one that no one, not even you, would attempt to cross, then why not make the Muslims move their trophy Mosque further away from the Trade Tower site?  The only reason for putting it there, when most Americans are against it, is to slap us in the face, to show us that they can do exactly as they wish!

You are supposed to represent the American people, not the Muslims!  You are supposed to hold your own, personal, pride in this country, to stand for its values and freedoms, yet you use them to manipulate our government to give extra rights and power to the Muslim people in America!  Sir; you are pushing this nation to a situation where the only way that Americans can maintain our rights and freedoms, as true Americans, is to stand against you and fight everything you say and do!  You don’t represent Americans, you represent “Special Interest” groups, minorities, and foreign interests, and you work to ensure that they will gain the power necessary to take down our nation!  Beware the consequences of ignoring the needs of the majority of citizens in this country!  Beware the idea of building this mosque!  And beware the idea of your continued lack of concern for what the true citizens of this great country want, and need, as you will find yourself in a situation where the fight you are building against the people of America will come back to bite you on your ass!

WAKE UP AMERICANS, OR LOSE AMERICA!

Michael J. Kilgus

Gladiator 059


6 Comments

  1. Brian says:

    Well, we all know by now (or should!) that Obama is for the Muslims! He skips National Prayer Day, yet hosts a Ramadan feast at the White House. He bows to a Muslim King, so why not kiss some Muslim ass while he’s at it?
    He has spent well over a million dollars to keep us from finding exactly who he is. The American people took him hook, line and sinker on the platform of “Change”. Too bad they didn’t realize that “change” could also be worse!
    I have no problem with people being free to worship in this country as they wish. I do have a problem when one religion is bent on destroying our way of life and replacing it with theirs! These are our enemies! And our Commander-In-Chief is aiding and abetting them. He needs to be removed from office and tried for treason.

  2. I appreciate your comments, as both sides need to be discussed here. But the idea that his Hawaiian “Birth Certificate” has been verified is not accurate. To be elected, he had to have verification, as does any President who is elected. You don’t hear about it, because there have been no problems with any previous Presidents, so it was never a glitch. McCain was born on a military base in another country; any American child born on an American Military base is considered a natural born citizen, as all bases are American property and, by UN standards, all properties of a government, on foreign soil, have the same rights as being on that country’s home soil. Obama’s birth certificate, since the initial showing, when it was backed by the Governor, and some woman who, by the way, were Obama supporters, has been proven to have been “manipulated”, and has many questions concerning its authenticity. This is a case going before the Supreme Court, and we will all feel much better if the Court finds him to be valid. However; if he is not, everything he has signed into law will be declared invalid, and will be removed from the law, as it takes a legal, sitting President to sign a law into effect, unless it returns to Congress and is over-ridden.
    Thanks for your comments.

  3. WWW1 says:

    In their first verification of the facts on the published birth certificate, which by the way is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, the officials stated that there was an original birth certificate in the file. This should be sufficient proof because when Obama was born Hawaii did not allow foreign birth certificates, even from other states, to be filed in Hawaii. Only Hawaiian birth certificates could be filed in Hawaii, so the original in the files is a Hawaiian birth certificate.

    In the second confirmation, the officials stated that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an original birth certificate, but it says on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. This is merely confirmation of what was expected because Hawaii does not and did not in 1961 allow a birth document of any kind to be issued that says “born in Hawaii” on it unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii.

    So we have the official document itself and the verification of the officials twice. At a minimum, the number of people who looked into the file and said there was a document showing that Obama was born in Hawaii was three, the two officials who confirmed and the original clerk. What could be their reason for lying, especially because they know that there would be penalties if they were found out in a lie.

    In addition, the governor of Hawaii has said that Obama was born in Hawaii, and gave the name of the hospital, Kapiolani. She is a Republican: what could her reason be for lying?

    Then we have the statement of Obama’s Kenyan grandmother who in the taped interview said that Obama was born in Hawaii and in another interview said that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter from Hawaii.

    Then we have Obama’s book, which you may not believe but it was written in 1999, long before he had major office, and in it he had no reason to lie because he could hardly have thought that he would even run for president much less win at the time. He said two things, that he was born at Kapiolani hospital, and he also indicated that his mother did not have a passport in 1961 because he says later that she applied for one in 1965 when they were about to go to Indonesia. Since it is unlikely that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961, it is unlikely that she gave birth in Kenya–or in fact in any country other than the USA.

    Then there is the witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth. To be sure, she became his teacher and hence can be expected to be a supporter, but would she lie for Obama? And, she would have had to have made up a complicated lie because it was she who introduced the name Dr. West, whom she said was a friend of a girlfriend of hers, and who told her of the birth. Moreover, she said that she wrote home about a birth to a woman named Stanley to her father named Stanley, and that does not sound like a lie.

    There were no direct flights from Hawaii to Kenya in those days, and the actual cost of such a trip would have been terribly expensive in today’s terms. One estimate is that it would have cost the equivalent of $20,000 in today’s money for two people to have made the round trip in 1961. And, there was Yellow Fever endemic in Kenya, so it would have been extremely unusual for a pregnant woman to make that trip, not only because of the expense and difficulty but because Yellow Fever shots are bad during pregnancy.

    Then, there is the absence of a US travel document. In the discussion of alleged birth in Kenya it is generally forgotten that for the allegation to be true requires a way of getting Obama from Kenya to Hawaii, since we know that he was seen in Hawaii about ten days after his birth.

    But, for a child born in Kenya to get to the USA requires either a US visa on a foreign passport or the change to his mother’s passport to include him. Without one of those documents, the US Immigration officials would not have allowed him into the country. If such a document existed, it would be easy to find it, since it would be stored away under applications for visas in Kenya in 1961 or applications for changes in passports in Kenya in 1961.

    Since the Kenya allegations were out there in 2008 and the Republicans were in charge of the State Department at the time, it would have been likely that they searched for visas or changes in passports that would indicate his place of birth. If they did not, they certainly fell down on their responsibilities. And, no such document has been found.

    Obama’s published Certification of Live Birth was not manipulated. Only two guys who will not give their real names have claimed that it was. No official or former official has said that the document was forged. The McCain and Hillary campaigns looked into the allegations of forgery, and found them false.

    But, even if the document HAD been forged (and it wasn’t), it is not the document that is critical. It is the facts on the document. The key fact is that he was born in Hawaii, and that has been confirmed by the officials in Hawaii based on the document in the files.

    The first confirmation, by the way, was before the election, so the officials are not just supporting the elected president. Indeed, if two officials in a Republican administration had lied about Obama’s place of birth and that lie were found out, it would be even worse for them since they said it before the election.

    There have, unfortunately, been some liars who have claimed that they know that Obama was not born in Hawaii. The latest was Tim Adams, a former election official. But he spoke more than two months ago, and what he said has not been confirmed by anyone, in contrast to the confirmation of the facts by the officials.

    This, by the way, is more proof that Obama was born in the USA than any other president has shown.

    What case is going before the Supreme Court? They have thrown out all the birther cases so far. There is a lying e-mail that keeps saying “VERY QUIETLY OBAMA’S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES SUPREME COURT,” but it hasn’t. That is a hoax. The AP never wrote that article. Occidental did not release any documents, and the case has not reached the Supreme Court.

    That article was originally posted on April 1, 2009. It is an April Fool’s article.

    • Just to let you know, this is a well-written article that covers your side of the issue very well, so I deleted the first two comments, as they only do a quick statement of what you wrote here, and I need the space.

      However; I go back to one, very simple question; there has been a lot of evidence that proves the Birth Certificate as phony, and is as well-presented as your side. And it is not unimaginable for anyone to think that a Governor of a state, who follows Obama, would cover for him. I can see both sides quite clearly. I have not made up my own mind as to what is going on. That said; if I were Obama, and I knew that my papers were completely valid, I would turn them over to an independent Federal Investigator, one who could prove he has no leanings, one way, or the other, and let him follow through on the debate. If everything is absolutely accurate, that he is legally qualified to hold the office, then it could be backed by the investigator, and put out in the press, and the whole thing would be over with! Simple, quick, and verifiable! But he won’t; he knows the arguements are getting to the Supreme Court, and he has spent over one million dollars to cover his side; why? Why keep it going? End it with a simple double-check on the issue. I can’t telll you the number of times in my life when I have been overseas and have left my papers somewhere, and I was required to show them to prove I was legal. If I can do it, with no bitterness at all, including a time when they mistook be to be someone else, and I would have gone to jail if I hadn’t, then he can do the same. If he is keeping this going simply to keep the uproar causing trouble, he is not a President. So fix it, it’s simple.

      As to his Grandmother in Kenya; I heard the recording of her stating that he was born there, and that the people of his village were proud of him. Her voice, her statement, nothing written. I watched the video of Michelle stating that he was a “born in Kenya”, her face, her voice, and nothing written. Those are “verifiable facts”. If he stops spending money, has the investigation done, then I will believe him with no questions asked.

  4. WWW1 says:

    Re: “a lot of evidence that proves the Birth Certificate as phony’

    Answer: The “birth certificate” from Kenya is certainly phony. It uses USA date formats, not Kenya/British ones.

    Obama’s Hawaii birth certificate is not phony. Only two guys who will not give their names have said it is forged, no officials or former officials, and McCain’s campaign checked on the allegations of forgery and found that they were false. Moreover, it is the facts on the document that count, and the key fact—that Obama was born in Hawaii—was confirmed twice by the officials in Hawii (once before and once after the election) and there is a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2170432/posts).

    Re: “And it is not unimaginable for anyone to think that a Governor of a state, who follows Obama, would cover for him. “

    Answer: What do you mean “who follows Obama?” She is a Republican and said nasty things about him during the campaign and still says nasty things about him. She just says that he was born in Hawaii. Moreover, consider the risk that she is running. If it were found out that she were lying, what would be her future in the Republican Party? Why should she lie? And the same goes for the three people who looked into the file, the original clerk and the two officials of the Department of Health.

    Re: “if I were Obama, and I knew that my papers were completely valid, I would turn them over to an independent Federal Investigator, one who could prove he has no leanings, one way, or the other, and let him follow through on the debate. “

    Answer, no federal investigator has asked to see Obama’s documents. I have no doubt that IF Obama turned the Certification of Live Birth over to the FBI, they would find that it has not been forged. If the FBI had any question about the document being forged, it would have asked for it well before now. There is an excellent photo of the document on FactCheck’s site, so if there were anything suspicious about it, the FBI could have already asked. It hasn’t asked, and as I said, the McCain campaign also determined that the document is not forged. Why should Obama turn the document over to an agency that has not asked for it simply because people who forge Kenyan birth certificates ask for it?

    Re: “He knows the arguements are getting to the Supreme Court,…

    Answer, there is no evidence of this getting to the Supreme Court at all. The Supreme Court has turned down every birther case and not one is pending. Not one.

    Re: “ and he has spent over one million dollars to cover his side; why? “

    Answer: The simple answer is that when someone sues you, you have to respond no matter how stupid the case is by the other side. A more detailed answer is that the vast majority of lawsuits against him were to stop the election, stop the Electoral College and stop the certification of the election. The few remaining lawsuits asked for a grabbag of documents including his college records (which he does not have to provide and no president has given detailed transcripts) and his kindergarten records (which probably do not exist anymore) and the place where he lived while he was in college.

    There has never been a lawsuit that simply sought the birth certificate. If there were, Obama would provide the court with the Certification of Live Birth, which is the official birth certificate of Hawaii.

    Re: “I can’t telll you the number of times in my life when I have been overseas and have left my papers somewhere, and I was required to show them to prove I was legal.”

    Answer: Obama has shown his papers. In fact, he was the first and so far the ONLY US president to show his birth certificate. He showed the Certification of Live Birth, which is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and it is also the only birth certificate that Hawaii has issued since 2001.

    Re: “As to his Grandmother in Kenya; I heard the recording of her stating that he was born there, and that the people of his village were proud of him. “

    Answer. You are misremembering. She never said any such thing. The transcript of the tape recorded interview shows that she repeatedly said that Obama was born in Hawaii, where his father was studying. And, she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter from Hawaii. Other Kenyan relatives have said that the first visit of Obama to Kenya was in the 1980s.

    Yes, she said that Obama “was a son of this village,” but that does not mean that he was born there. Yes, she said “yes’ to the question “was she present when Obama was born?” But, actually, we do not know how that question was translated into the African language, so that Yes does not count. We do know that when she was asked; “Where was he born?” she replied that it was in Hawaii, and did so repeatedly.

    Michelle also did not say that Obama was born in Kenya. She said that Kenya was Obama’s native country, which is using native country just the way that Reagan and Kennedy did when they described Ireland as their native country.

    Furthermore, it is weird, frankly, to believe that Obama was born in Kenya. You should ask yourself “why would anyone spend the equivalent of about $20,000 in today’s dollars to take his pregnant wife to Kenya when there was Yellow Fever in the country and the incidence of stillbirths on planes was very high?

    Why do that, when you can achieve the same results by taking her after the child was born without danger of stillbirth and when the woman could travel around and see the country (and the other countries on the way). And, if you did do it, then why aren’t there any photos of the woman or the child with her inlaws?

    If a person were born in Kenya, she or he would need a US travel document to get to the USA. That would be either a US visa on a foreign passport or the change to his mother’s US passport to include him. One or the other would have had to have been applied for at a US Consulate in Kenya and granted before the child would be allowed to enter the USA.

    If such a document existed, it would be easy to find because the records of the application for the visa or for the change to the mother’s passport would still be in the files of the US State Department, filed under applications for visas and applications for changes to passports in Kenya in 1961. The Republicans were in charge of the US State Department until January 2009. No such document has been found. No such document exists.

    Obama was not born in Kenya. He was born in Hawaii, as his official birth certificate from Hawaii shows, and the facts on it were repeatedly confirmed by the officials in Hawaii. Obama has already posted a copy of the official birth certificate, the Certification of Live Birth, which is the only birth document that Hawaii has been sending out since 2001. Hawaii no longer sends out copies of the original birth certificate, only of the official birth certificate: The Certification of Live Birth.

    • You have, once again, written a well-worded reply but, in a typical Obama supporter manner, you use a lot of words to defend him, but neglect one simple thing: if you are right, if he is a natural born citizen then, as the President he has a responsibility to put all this to rest, and the quickest way is to simply have the investigation done. That simple! Instead, he has spent over a million dollars to keep it out of the courts and press. He is not acting like he is right, he is acting like he is hiding something. If he’s not hiding something, why doesn’t he end this? It’s that simple! And it is that failure to put this to rest that makes me suspicious. And, as I said before; there are others that put up a much better arguement against you. But, we see two different sides to this arguement. There are three: 1. He is not Natural Born. 2. He is. 3. ( My side ) Put an end to this now, end the controversy, and have an independent investigator show he is either legal, or illegal. By the way; I used to work on the Hill, in DC, so I know that it would be very easy for him to be lying, and to get away with it. I have seen it too many times. So we’ll end this discussion with a “non-agreement policy, and get on with other issues. This issue will now be closed.

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